Legislature(2011 - 2012)

02/28/2011 03:28 PM House L&C


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                       HB 122-NATUROPATHS                                                                                   
                                                                                                                              
3:28:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR OLSON announced  that the first order of  business would be                                                               
HOUSE BILL  NO. 122, "An Act  relating to naturopaths and  to the                                                               
practice  of  naturopathy;  establishing an  Alaska  Naturopathic                                                               
Medical  Board; authorizing  medical assistance  program coverage                                                               
of naturopathic  services; amending  the definition  of 'practice                                                               
of medicine'; and providing for an effective date."                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:29:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KENDRA KLOSTER,  Staff, Representative Cathy Munoz,  Alaska State                                                               
Legislature, on  behalf of the  prime sponsor, explained  that HB
122 would  establish a Naturopathic  Medical Board  consisting of                                                               
three  naturopaths, one  pharmacist, and  one public  member, who                                                               
may also  be a licensed physician.   This bill would  authorize a                                                               
prescription  endorsement  for  naturopaths (ND)  who  have  five                                                               
years  of  experience   as  an  ND,  60   hours  of  pharmacology                                                               
education,  and  who  have  met  the  criteria  relating  to  the                                                               
administration  of  prescription drugs.    This  bill would  also                                                               
provide  NDs  with  a limited  prescription  authority  for  non-                                                               
controlled substances.   These drugs would include  drugs such as                                                               
blood  pressure medication  or  antibiotics,  but not  controlled                                                               
substances  which  are addictive  in  nature.   This  bill  would                                                               
update the definition for Naturopathic  Doctor (ND) to align with                                                               
the current federal definition and  would add NDs to the Medicaid                                                               
roster.   This bill would allow  NDs to treat patients  under the                                                               
Denali Kid Care and for those NDs  who want to be able to provide                                                               
service to Medicaid patients.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:30:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  KLOSTER related  that about  40  Naturopathic Doctors  (NDs)                                                               
currently practice  in Alaska.  The  prescription authority would                                                               
give  the  NDs  the  flexibility  to  provide  necessary  medical                                                               
treatment.   In order  for NDs  to practice  in Alaska  they must                                                               
attend a  graduate program with  doctorate level training  from a                                                               
U.S. Department  of Education  accredited school  of Naturopathic                                                               
medicine,  possess a  four-year undergraduate  degree in  current                                                               
basic science,  and complete the  minimum prerequisites.  The NDs                                                               
must pass 14 national licensing  exams, which includes five basic                                                               
sciences and  nine diagnostic  therapeutic exams.   Additionally,                                                               
NDs must  obtain state licensure  and be of good  moral standing.                                                               
She stated that NDs have been licensed in Alaska since 1986.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:31:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. KLOSTER  related that NDs'  primary focus is  on preventative                                                               
care  through   traditional  healing,  which  is   holistic,  and                                                               
comprehensive in nature.  Dr. Emily  Kane and Dr. Kristin Cox are                                                               
available for questions.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:32:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MILLER asked  anyone who  could describe  an ND's                                                               
current training  and experience.   He related  his understanding                                                               
that HB  122 would  create an  ND board  and provide  for limited                                                               
prescription  authority, but  that the  ND's duties  would remain                                                               
the same.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS. KLOSTER  recapped the changes she  previously mentioned, plus                                                               
she added  that the definition would  allow NDs to use  the title                                                               
of Naturopathic  Doctor and Naturopathic Physician.   These terms                                                               
are ones  used by the  U.S. Department of  Labor, she said.   She                                                               
added  that the  NDs  would  also need  to  submit to  continuing                                                               
education  (CE)  requirements,  which the  proposed  board  would                                                               
monitor.  The NDs would also  specifically be required to meet CE                                                               
in pharmaceuticals, as well.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:34:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
EMILY  KANE, Naturopathic  Doctor, stated  that she  is also  the                                                               
President of  the Alaska Association of  Naturopathic Physicians.                                                               
She related  that NDs are  interested in bringing their  scope of                                                               
practice  into  alignment with  their  training.   The  NDs  have                                                               
comprehensive  medical   training.     She  explained   that  the                                                               
naturopathic law  in Alaska has  not been modified since  1986 so                                                               
it has fallen  behind most other states that license  NDs.  Thus,                                                               
as a  Naturopath (ND) she  feels underutilized as a  resource for                                                               
wellness, prevention,  and disease  management.  She  pointed out                                                               
that  the NDs  focus  is  on disease  prevention  and to  promote                                                               
patient wellness.  Additionally,  NDs diagnose illnesses in their                                                               
practices.  She  recalled a press release  issued by Commissioner                                                               
Streur,  Department of  Health and  Social Services  (DHSS), that                                                               
indicated by 2014, 32,000 more  Alaska will be Medicaid eligible.                                                               
She  asked  who  would  provide the  care  since  currently  many                                                               
Medicaid patients wait  months to see physicians.   Some diseases                                                               
can  be   prevented  through  preventive  care   and  nutritional                                                               
guidance, such  as preventing obesity, alcoholism,  and diabetes.                                                               
She  offered her  belief that  NDs  are well  positioned to  help                                                               
reduce  the burden  of these  diseases.   The bill  addresses the                                                               
formation of  a board.   All other  health care  professionals in                                                               
Alaska have boards and  it is time for NDs to  also have a board,                                                               
she said.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:36:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR.  KANE   offered  that  while  the   Department  of  Commerce,                                                               
Community  & Economic  Development (DCCED)  has been  helpful the                                                               
NDs and  will continue to manage  NDs, the agency's staff  is not                                                               
qualified  to  handle  the NDs  once  they  receive  prescription                                                               
ability.   She assured members  that NDs simply want  to practice                                                               
their profession per their training.   Historically, objection to                                                               
the  proposed changes  in Alaska's  statutes  governing NDs  have                                                               
come from the NDs professional  allies, which is disappointing to                                                               
her  since "in  real life"  she  works closely  with the  medical                                                               
community.   She  provided  an  example, such  as  if  she has  a                                                               
patient with  a complicated  tonsil or  abscess ailment  that she                                                               
would refer the  patient to Dr. Raster, the local  Ear, Nose, and                                                               
Throat  specialist.   She has  no  interest in  going beyond  the                                                               
scope of  her own skill set,  she said.  Often  other health care                                                               
professionals  will allege  that  NDS are  untrained  and pose  a                                                               
danger  to  the  public.     However,  there  has  never  been  a                                                               
malpractice  suit against  an ND  during  the 26  years NDs  have                                                               
practiced in Alaska since NDs  know their training and skills and                                                               
do not go beyond the scope  of their ability.  The NDs inherently                                                               
practice  safe natural  remedies  and  never use  pharmaceuticals                                                               
first.     One  of   the  main  reasons   she  wants   access  to                                                               
pharmaceuticals is  that many  of her patients  are on  drugs and                                                               
are unwell.   She assists her  patients by assisting them  to get                                                               
well.  This  may include incorporating a regimen  to reduce their                                                               
drugs  and to  review  drug incompatibilities  that have  created                                                               
adverse drug interaction cross effects.   Often, her patients use                                                               
natural drugs or herbs they  have purchased from the natural food                                                               
store, which can create side effects.   She stressed that NDs are                                                               
the only health care providers  who are trained in drug nutrient,                                                               
drug herbal medicine interaction.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:39:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR.  KANE  related  a  scenario  in which  one  of  her  patients                                                               
suffered  from a  urinary tract  infection that  needed immediate                                                               
attention so she  referred her patient to the  local Urgent Care.                                                               
However,  this meant  her  patient had  to  incur the  additional                                                               
medical costs  just to obtain  an antibiotic that Dr.  Kane could                                                               
have  provided   if  only   she  had   the  authority   to  write                                                               
prescriptions.   She related that  pharmacists are  very familiar                                                               
with NDs.   She suggested  several options she could  have taken,                                                               
including that she  could have called a pharmacist  in Oregon and                                                               
had the  medication sent  to Alaska.   Another option  would have                                                               
been to call one  of her colleagues in the Lower  48, and a local                                                               
pharmacist  could have  filled the  prescription, she  said.   In                                                               
fact, local  pharmacists can fill prescriptions  written by other                                                               
NDs who  possess the same training  she has, yet she  cannot have                                                               
local pharmacists fill her prescriptions  since she does not have                                                               
the authority to prescribe.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:40:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR. KANE  reiterated her training  is the same as  her colleagues                                                               
in  Washington, Oregon,  and California.   She  related that  she                                                               
attended a four-year undergraduate  college, obtained a degree in                                                               
an  unrelated  subject,  and then  attended  graduate  school  in                                                               
Naturopathic  medicine.   She  related  she  spent six  years  in                                                               
school  with  a one  year  residency.   She  carries  malpractice                                                               
insurance,  has hospital  privileges, and  uses the  full set  of                                                               
diagnostic tools available to any  health care professional, such                                                               
as lab  work and radiology.   She explained that how  she differs                                                               
from  medical doctors  is  that  she spends  more  time with  her                                                               
patients  to educate  them and  help them  modify their  wellness                                                               
with good food  choices and exercise.  She said  it may not sound                                                               
"all that jazzy" but it is  hugely important.  She suggested that                                                               
curing  someone  by modifying  his/her  food  and exercise  is  a                                                               
better place to start than  prescribing drugs.  She stressed that                                                               
she needs access  to drugs because she  sometimes helps diabetics                                                               
and as  these patients begin  to lose  weight, they need  to have                                                               
their insulin  reduced.   She has had  several patients  who have                                                               
been able to completely stop  using insulin.  However, she cannot                                                               
help  them   "dial  down"  their  medication   since  she  cannot                                                               
prescribe.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:42:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MILLER  related  his understanding  that  HB  122                                                               
would provide limited prescription ability.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DR.  KANE  agreed.    She  explained that  drugs  are  listed  by                                                               
schedule and  some drugs have  the potential for  addiction, such                                                               
as  narcotics used  for pain  medication.   Schedule 1  drugs are                                                               
highly addictive drugs.  The  other drugs are legend drugs, which                                                               
include  antibiotics, and  antihypertensive  drugs  such as  beta                                                               
blockers.   Drugs  used  to treat  urinary  tract infections  and                                                               
anti-viral medications fall under legend  drugs and do not have a                                                               
great potential for harm or addiction, she said.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
DR. KANE advised  members when she has  patients with intractable                                                               
pain that she refers them to  a pain specialist or a neurologist.                                                               
Additionally,  she   indicated  that  the  likeliness   of  these                                                               
patients becoming addicted is fairly  high so the pain specialist                                                               
must develop  a skill set to  wean the patient off  the scheduled                                                               
drugs.  She  stressed that all 40  of the NDs in  Alaska would be                                                               
comfortable having restrictions and  limits on prescription drugs                                                               
they could prescribe.   The NDs would continue  to refer patients                                                               
who need Schedule I drugs to medical doctors, she said.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:46:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MILLER   asked  whether  NDs  currently   have  a                                                               
requirement for ongoing pharmacological training.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
DR. KANE  responded that currently  NDs are not required  to have                                                               
mandated CE.   She asserted that the first thing  she would do as                                                               
after establishing  the ND  board would  be to  require mandatory                                                               
CE.   She related  that every  ND undergoes  CE just  to maintain                                                               
their  standing   with  the   national  and   state  professional                                                               
organizations.  However, the state  does not have any requirement                                                               
to  do so.    She reiterated  pharmacological  training would  be                                                               
necessary, especially since new  drugs are developed that require                                                               
continual knowledge and education.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:47:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JOHNSON asked  whether the  NDs' insurance  costs                                                               
are the same as medical physicians  and if NDs are concerned that                                                               
medical  malpractice  costs  will  increase  if  NDs  assume  the                                                               
liability of prescribing drugs.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
DR. KANE responded that she  pays $1,600 per year for malpractice                                                               
insurance  since NDs  are  a  good risk.    Nationwide, very  few                                                               
lawsuits happen even  though NDs have been  licensed since 1940s.                                                               
She reported  that there have  not been any  malpractice lawsuits                                                               
in  Alaska against  NDs since  their initial  licensure in  1986.                                                               
NDs practice  safe medicine.   "That's our  mandate.   That's our                                                               
shtick, if  you will.  We  do safe medicine.   We do prevention,"                                                               
she said. Insurers  are a good assessor of risk,  she added.  She                                                               
highlighted that  she contacted her  insurer, who is  the largest                                                               
insurer  nationwide, who  related that  her insurance  rates will                                                               
not go up if HB 122 were to  pass.  The cost of the risk has been                                                               
amortized  across  all NDs.    She  pointed  out only  5,000  NDs                                                               
practice nationwide so  it is a small profession,  but the demand                                                               
is growing.  Most NDs practicing  have access to legend drugs and                                                               
some also prescribe scheduled drugs, she said.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CHENAULT pointed out  that 40 naturopaths practice                                                               
in Alaska  and the  proposed board  is a five  person board.   He                                                               
said he did not see a fiscal  note in members' packets.  He asked                                                               
for clarification on the costs to administer the proposed board.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:50:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 3:50 p.m. to 3:53 p.m.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:53:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CHENAULT  referred to the fiscal  note and related                                                               
that   one  Department   of   Commerce,   Community  &   Economic                                                               
Development  (DCCED) would  require receipt  support services  of                                                               
$48,000, which is  nearly $50,000.  He  related his understanding                                                               
that the cost would be passed on to the NDs.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR. KANE agreed that NDs' fees would increase.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CHENAULT  offered that the fees  would increase by                                                               
about $1,000.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
DR. KANE agreed the fees would increase substantially.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CHENAULT referred to  the Department of Health and                                                               
Social  Services  (DHSS)  fiscal  note  identifies  the  cost  as                                                               
$150,000  in services,  $75,000  for federal  funds, and  $75,000                                                               
general fund  (GF) matching funds  for the Medicaid program.   He                                                               
asked for clarification from the department on the fiscal note.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:54:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JON   SHERWOOD,  Medicaid   Special  Projects,   Office  of   the                                                               
Commissioner, Department  of Health  and Social  Services (DHSS),                                                               
stated that the department submitted  a fiscal note for a onetime                                                               
cost $150,000.   The DHSS estimates half would  be federal funds,                                                               
and half  would be  state general  funds to  make changes  to the                                                               
data system to  add another provider type in order  to pay claims                                                               
for  Medicaid  services.    The department  does  not  expect  an                                                               
ongoing cost,  but it would incur  costs to change the  system to                                                               
add a new provider.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:56:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CHENAULT  asked  whether NDs  are  not  currently                                                               
accepted by Medicaid.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. SHERWOOD  answered no, that  currently NDs are not  listed as                                                               
an optional service for Medicaid.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CHENAULT related  his understanding  that HB  122                                                               
would allow  NDs to seek  compensations for services  they render                                                               
on behalf of Alaskans.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. SHERWOOD answered yes, that under  the bill NDs would be able                                                               
to seek payment for Medicaid eligible individuals.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:57:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR OLSON  asked for another  example of optional  services for                                                               
Medicaid services.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SHERWOOD  answered  that  the   basic  services  covered  by                                                               
Medicaid  include  physician,  hospital, and  lab  services,  and                                                               
nursing facilities.   Additionally, many other  types of services                                                               
are  optional, including  services  performed  by advanced  nurse                                                               
practitioners,   direct-entry   midwives,   and   mental   health                                                               
providers.     Medicaid  does  not   cover  family   and  marital                                                               
counselors or podiatrists, he said.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR OLSON  recalled Alaska  has a  board for  Certified Direct-                                                               
Entry Midwives.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:58:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CHENAULT asked for  an explanation of the $150,000                                                               
cost in  order to change the  system to allow NDs  to participate                                                               
in Medicaid.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. SHERWOOD stated  that the claims processing system  is an old                                                               
Medicaid Management Information System  (MMIS) legacy system from                                                               
the 80s.  It is not  a modern system with relational structure so                                                               
programming is required for reporting.   Although he acknowledged                                                               
that he  is not a  computer expert, he related  his understanding                                                               
that the basic logic in  the system would requirement substantial                                                               
programming to make  the system recognize the  new provider type,                                                               
to report, process, adjudicate claims  and report the claims into                                                               
the state's accounting system and  into the right formats for the                                                               
federal partners.   He said he  hoped the new system  would be in                                                               
place by  the spring 2012  to make it  easier and less  costly to                                                               
make these  changes.   The changes  would necessary  to implement                                                               
the bill timely.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:00:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CHENAULT  asked  whether  the  funding  has  been                                                               
allocated for the new system.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. SHERWOOD offered  his belief that most of the  money has been                                                               
appropriated.  He said he  was unaware of any outstanding request                                                               
for funding.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CHENAULT how long the process has taken.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. SHERWOOD recalled the current  attempt was initiated in 2007,                                                               
but the department  has worked since 1995 to  replace the system.                                                               
He related that in once instance  the bid was unsuccessful and in                                                               
another the department  had to wait for Y2K changes  to occur, as                                                               
well as  changes to the  federal electronic  claims transmission.                                                               
Additionally, the  department had  an unsuccessful vendor  in the                                                               
mid 90s.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:01:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  OLSON has  heard legacy  brought up  several times  in the                                                               
budget subcommittee  meetings.   He asked  whether that  meant it                                                               
was no longer the "state of the art" system.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. SHERWOOD responded that would be an understatement.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MILLER  referred to  the narrative  description in                                                               
the  DCCED's fiscal  note  that indicates  NDs  would be  allowed                                                               
prescriptive  authority  and could  perform  minor  surgery.   He                                                               
asked for the definition of minor surgery.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. SHERWOOD deferred to the DCCED.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:03:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DON  HABEGER,  Director,  Division  of  Business  &  Professional                                                               
Licensing,   Department  of   Commerce,   Community  &   Economic                                                               
Development  (DCCED),  stated  that   the  reference  to  medical                                                               
procedures in the  fiscal note were in error.   He explained that                                                               
the fiscal  note referred to  an older version of  a naturopathic                                                               
bill and should be stricken.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:04:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MARY MINER,  Naturopathic Doctor (ND),  stated that she  has been                                                               
interested in  changes to the  naturopathic statutes  since 1994.                                                               
The crux of the issue for  her relates to patient care.  Patients                                                               
come  to see  her for  routine  naturopathic care,  but the  need                                                               
arises for patient  referral, that would not be  necessary if NDs                                                               
had  prescription authority.   She  expressed concern  that costs                                                               
are  prohibitive,  especially  if  patients do  not  have  health                                                               
insurance and must pay costs out  of pocket.  In those instances,                                                               
the  patient  may  not  make  the appointment  and  may  not  get                                                               
adequate  care.   This  issue arises  more  frequently as  people                                                               
become careful about health care  dollars. She offered her belief                                                               
that  this  is  not  novel legislation,  that  many  states  have                                                               
enacted  legislation, such  as  Oregon,  Washington, and  Arizona                                                               
with little consequence and no harm to the public.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
4:06:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR. KRISTEN  COX, Naturopathic Doctor  (ND), offered to  speak to                                                               
the Medicaid  portion of the bill.   She related that  adding NDs                                                               
to the Medicaid roster would save  the state money.  She said she                                                               
often  receives  calls from  patients  who  want to  bring  their                                                               
children to see her, but Alaska's  Denali Kid Care does not cover                                                               
her  services.   She stressed  that  NDs are  willing, able,  and                                                               
available to  see patients.   Most of  the Medicaid  patients are                                                               
children, who  could benefit from naturopathic  medicine since it                                                               
preventative  medicine  that  focuses   on  diet,  nutrition  and                                                               
lifestyle counseling.   She and other NDs  could potentially save                                                               
hundreds  of thousands  of dollars  by educating  children.   She                                                               
stated that  by treating children  the physician also  has access                                                               
to the  family and have  an opportunity to educate  their parents                                                               
and the  benefits get spread.   The ND spends  significantly more                                                               
time,  an hour  or longer,  with each  patient gaining  trust and                                                               
educating patients, which many patients need.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
DR. COX  asked to speak to  prescriptive authority.  Many  of her                                                               
patients want to  feel better and when they come  to see her they                                                               
are  often tired,  overweight, depressed,  with high  cholesterol                                                               
and  high  blood  pressure.   Some  patients  are  interested  in                                                               
hormone  balancing  but  she  cannot  prescribe  natural  hormone                                                               
replacement therapy even though she  is well trained and could do                                                               
so.   She screens  patients for  thyroid problems  and encounters                                                               
many thyroid  problems, which are  easy to treat, yet  she cannot                                                               
prescribe  thyroid  treatment.    If all  thyroid  problems  were                                                               
adequately treated  it could save  money over time.   She related                                                               
that many NDs  are attracted to rural areas and  rural areas have                                                               
a shortage of  doctors.  However, an ND cannot  practice in rural                                                               
Alaska  without the  ability to  prescribe  nor can  they act  as                                                               
primary  care   physicians  without  the  ability   to  prescribe                                                               
antibiotics or other  medications.  She noted  that she practiced                                                               
naturopathic medicine in Fairbanks for a year.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
DR. COX related  a scenario in which  a man had been  bitten by a                                                               
cat and  had red streaks  running up his arm  from the bite.   He                                                               
needed an  antibiotic and she  referred him to a  medical doctor,                                                               
but refused  to go.   She  explained that  some patients  have an                                                               
abnormal fear  of traditional  medical care.   She  also referred                                                               
him to the  emergency room.  She  later found out he  lied to his                                                               
veterinarian in order  to obtain an antibiotic  and took medicine                                                               
prescribed for  a dog.   She offered  her belief that  she should                                                               
have been  able to prescribe  an antibiotic for her  patient, but                                                               
could  not.   She characterized  this  as an  example of  routine                                                               
situations  NDs  encounter in  their  practices  as primary  care                                                               
physicians, which they are licensed to  do, but must do with "one                                                               
hand tied behind their backs."                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:12:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MILLER acknowledged  the  difficulty to  quantify                                                               
future  cost  savings with  respect  to  health care  costs,  but                                                               
related his  understanding that the  main goal of NDs  is disease                                                               
prevention.  He  offered his belief, based  on earlier testimony,                                                               
that as  many as  14,000 new  Medicaid patients  are anticipated.                                                               
The  system has  already  been constrained  and  putting 40  more                                                               
physicians into  the system could  help reduce the strain  on the                                                               
system.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
DR. COX advised members that it  is difficult for patients to get                                                               
doctor appointments,  particularly since  many doctors  in Juneau                                                               
are not accepting  new patients.  She asserted the  need for more                                                               
practitioners,  especially those  who are  skilled in  nutrition,                                                               
prevention,  and lifestyle  counseling.   She offered  her belief                                                               
that  the  NDs  are  those  practitioners.   The  NDs  have  been                                                               
licensed in the state and are an under-utilized resource.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:14:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SADDLER  asked why  she  pursued  this branch  of                                                               
medicine.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
DR.  COX answered  that she  was not  interested in  prescribing,                                                               
conventional  medicine.     She  acknowledged   that  traditional                                                               
medicine has its place, particularly  for emergency medical care.                                                               
The  biggest problem  she sees  in the  U.S. is  chronic illness,                                                               
which  responds  to  low-tech  cheap  therapies  that  have  been                                                               
neglected.  It  doesn't cost a lot  for people to eat  well or to                                                               
treat  people with  herbs as  compared to  pharmaceuticals.   She                                                               
said she  is fascinated with  plants and likes the  natural world                                                               
and was drawn to that type of practice.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:16:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SADDLER asked her to describe her background.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR.  COX explained  her education.   She  related that  she first                                                               
obtained  a Bachelor  of  Science degree  in  pre-medicine.   She                                                               
originally  thought she  wanted to  become a  physical therapist.                                                               
However, she learned  about ND medicine while  in Portland, which                                                               
has  one  of  the  oldest   ND  schools.    She  appreciated  the                                                               
philosophy of  the medicine  which focuses  on the  natural cure,                                                               
the healing  power of  the body  and its  innate powers  to heal.                                                               
The  goal of  the physician  is to  remove the  obstacles to  the                                                               
cure.   She remarked at  the simple  and beautiful process.   She                                                               
related that  NDs tend to  use the  gentle therapies first.   She                                                               
said  that NDs  also  encourage patient  responsibility and  self                                                               
healing,  which is  a lot  of work,  much more  so than  taking a                                                               
pill.   Patients become  empowered and change  their lives.   She                                                               
pointed out  there is a great  demand for this type  of medicine.                                                               
Clearly  no  one  would  argue  that  nutrition  or  exercise  is                                                               
important.  She offered her  belief that diet and nutrition could                                                               
solve 90 percent of the health problems.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:18:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SADDLER  asked  how she  could  reconcile  having                                                               
prescription  authority  with   her  philosophy  of  naturopathic                                                               
holistic care.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
DR. COX agreed to the conflict.   She asserted that she would not                                                               
use  prescriptions as  the primary  treatment, but  would reserve                                                               
writing  prescriptions for  emergency  situations.   She  related                                                               
that NDs know  when people need help, such as  when patients have                                                               
sky high  blood pressure, it  needs to  be treated to  come down.                                                               
She explained that naturopathic medicine  takes time to work such                                                               
as  to lose  weight,  but  in the  meantime  the patient's  blood                                                               
pressure must  be treated or  they risk having  a stroke.   It is                                                               
difficult to tell a patient who  has chosen ND medicine that they                                                               
need to go  to the emergency room to obtain  medicine.  For many,                                                               
it  represents  an added  expense.    She agreed  that  sometimes                                                               
prescriptions   are  necessary.      Her   biggest  interest   in                                                               
naturopathic medicine lies  in hormone therapy.   She has treated                                                               
many thyroid patients,  who have ailments that  can be prevented.                                                               
She offered  an example of the  type of problem she  treats.  She                                                               
related a scenario in which  a 50 year carpenter, without medical                                                               
insurance,  had  severe  knee pain  and  his  orthopedic  surgeon                                                               
recommended a  double knee replacement.   She screened him  for a                                                               
thyroid problem, treated  him with thyroid medicine  and his pain                                                               
decreased  by   90  percent.     She   said  that   treating  the                                                               
inflammation helped  reduce his pain.   Low thyroid  function can                                                               
cause  carpel tunnel  and  pain  due to  the  inflammation.   She                                                               
related her  understanding that she  saved her  patient thousands                                                               
of dollars  in surgery  with about $7  worth of  thyroid medicine                                                               
and her patient is now back at work.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:21:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  OLSON,  after first  determining  no  one else  wished  to                                                               
testify, kept public testimony open on HB 122.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
[HB 122 was held over.]                                                                                                         

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